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Interview: Steve Outing on Blogging's Impact

To get an overview of blogging's impact on both traditional journalism and the practice of PR, I interviewed Steve Outing, a well-known expert in the field of online media and a noted digital journalist. Outing, who has been covering online media since 1995, is a senior editor at the Poynter Institute for Media Studies, and an interactive media columnist for Editor and Publisher Online. He is US editor for Poynter's group blog, E-Media Tidbits.

Ochman: How do you keep up with all the media, online and off, these days? A lot of people are wondering if we have to grow another head.

Outing: My media habits have definitely changed. In the last year or so, I get as much of my intelligence and news about what's going on from blogs as from regular sources.

Ochman: What's the impact of blogging on traditional journalism?

Outing: Over the last 10 years, traditional journalists have been learning the lesson that the Internet is a two-way conversation with readers as opposed to just talking to them.

Blogs support his conversation between audience and journalist. That trend is influencing mainstream media. On my blog the other day, Katja Riefler cited a newspaper article in a German paper that was very critical on an online news service in Germany.

The editor of the online news service being criticized wrote an editorial and readers were invited to discuss it; bloggers stepped in with their point of view. The author of the original article came back and joined the conversation. This is the way journalism is going in the Internet Age. And that is one of the effects of blogs.

I sometimes think about bloggers as like alternative press, but maybe with a larger megaphone. The way things have spread throughout the blogs is pretty remarkable.

Some people have a very narrow definition of blogging. And much of the journalistic potential that I envision strays pretty far from that definition. (Besides, I've never liked the word 'blog.') Maybe we can come up with a new word to describe journalistic blogging." Anyone got any good ideas?

Ochman: A woman who works for a Fortune 500 company said at one of my seminars on blogging for business that she was mortified to learn that bloggers with no editors could say whatever they want about her company. Since most blogs are unedited, what are the checks and balances now with blogging?

Outing: Outside of the news industry, bloggers are an opinionated bunch. Typically they write independently; they're usually unedited, unfiltered voices. Controversy is considered to be a good thing in the land of blogs.

The best bloggers will rise to the top because their content is brilliantly written and well edited. Some blogs will even be edited pre-publication (especially blogs published by news organizations). To say that an edited blog (and that would include this one) is not a blog is just bizarre, in my humble opinion.

Blogging is still relatively new. Even among the top tier 5% bloggers, most are not making a living at it. Not many are doing it fulltime. It is not a fad, it will be around for a while.

Ochman: What impact will bloggers have on the US Presidential convention coverage?

Outing: Blogging is getting to be more and more mainstream. You hear about blogs on the news now.

There will be some very different perspectives coming out of having bloggers at the conventions. Wonkette will have a very different perspective. Ana Marie Cox is the irreverent writer behind Wonkette, and her writing and attitude is a joy to read -- well, assuming you enjoy seeing politicians on both sides of the aisle getting skewered and don't mind the occasional profanity and frequent use of questionable-taste humor.

I read wonkette because she's who she is. She's very funny. It's really hard to tell if she is a Democrat or a Republican, she keeps it pretty balanced.. Most bloggers have their politics on their sleeves.

Another milestone blog is AP's. Surely this must be a sign that blogging is mainstream. Pulitzer Prize-winning Associated Press reporter Walter Mears and colleague Nancy Benac will be providing "running commentary, insight, and news tidbits" from the Democratic and Republican conventions later this summer.

Their AP feature, called blog@ap.org, is being offered to AP clients as part of the wire service's political coverage, and will open for business the Sunday before the conventions open and run through the final proceedings on Thursday night.

This is the first blog to be offered by the AP. Mears has reported from every U.S. national political convention since 1964 and spent most of his 45 years with the AP covering politics; Benac has covered 10 conventions. Mears retired in 2001, so the blog is his temporary return to news coverage.

Ochman: How do you find the bloggers you follow and how many do you read?

Outing: I follow about 20 blogs daily. I tend to find new ones I like through posts on other blogs. . Often one blog mentions another, and there are the blog rolls that a lot of bloggers have. I use Feed Demon as a newsreader to scan blog headlines.

Ochman: Do you still read press releases?

Outing: There has definitely been a drop off in number that come in email, and I get hardly any regular mail. Most of what I get is fairly targeted from people in my industry.

I definitely find some stories breaking in blogs. There is a great talent pool in bloggers.

Ochman: Are bloggers being watchdogs to the traditional press?

Outing: The Trent Lott story is example. People in mainstream press didn't think it was important enough to keep the story moving.

Lott praised Senator Strom Thurmond's segregationalist platform when he was a presidential candidate in 1948. Newspapers did not immediately notice the remarks but bloggers kept up the campaign and the outcry eventually forced Lott to resign as Senate majority leader in 2002.)

Ochman: Why aren't newspapers keeping up with trend to have blogs and have reporters use photo phones to quickly get stories online?

Outing: Media has traditionally been a fairly conservative industry and slow to change. The vast majority of income still comes from print. Even though the Web is exciting and news organizations are getting more diverse, the money still isn't there.

To get money into digital journalism – a lot is dependant on the technology, on having broadband in every home. We have made great strides already, with people already carrying portable devices that can bring them news.

The phone will become a more and more important media device.
Vodafone has a cool site with a vision of the wireless future. One of their visions is a replacement of a watch.

Ochman: What should a company do when bad news about it is reported in blogs?

Outing: If news is bad about a company, respond directly to the bloggers and engage them in conversation. But realize that however you respond, be ready for that to go public. I wouldn’t send a blogger a private note and expect it not to be widely published in the blogosphere.

In traditional media, you might be able to say "off the record" but bloggers, with no journalistic training, no editors, may not have same rules. They are definitely a little more unpredictable.

Ochman: Is that a good thing?

Outing: It's the way it is. Everybody has a microphone, has a publication. If you have something that really strikes a cord, it will spread everywhere. The nice thing about the blog world is that sometimes, something on a blog gets written about on 100 other blogs and has a spiral impact.

Ochman: Will journalists take corporate blogs seriously? What's your advice to Bill Gates when he starts blogging?

Outing: Write it himself. There is lots of precedent. Mark Cubandoes it. (Cuban is owner of the Dallas Mavericks. He previously co-founded Broadcast.com, the leading provider of multimedia and streaming on the Internet, in 1995, selling it to Yahoo! in July of 1999.) Alan Meckler, CEO of Jupiter media also writes a blog.

It's the approach they take. If it comes across like a press release, nobody will pay attention to them.

Ochman: Will big blogs ever have audiences of millions?

Outing: It will take talent, luck. It may be that a blogger who is really talented will become that popular one day.

Ochman: What should PR people do to approach people who blog?

Outing: The first challenge is that you have to pick and choose who to go after. Most bloggers have a fairly narrow niche, have to be sure you fit in it.

Ochman: Is it ok to send bloggers a press release?

Outing: I personally like that. If it's something in left field, that's like spam. If it's something that's appropriate, a press release is fine.

Ochman: What is the best way to reach you?

Outing: I am getting a couple hundred emails a day, but e-mail is still a good one for me. I have really good spam filters.

Ochman: Does a PR person have to have a personal relationship with you before you pay attention to them, or is the story the most important thing?

Outing: Personal relationships really help, especially because my field of coverage is the news industry. There definitely are PR people who often send me things and I definitely value those relationships. Sometimes I call them and they are really helpful in getting me interviews.

Ochman: What's the best way to start a relationship with you?

Outing: Send some interesting stuff that turns out to be a good story.

Ochman: With all the bloggers providing leads, will there still be a need for PR people in the news process?

Outing: With the expansion of all the blogger/journos, there might be more demand for PR. Mainstream media isn’t getting any smaller, and now you have bloggers. There will be more and more journalists for PR people to pitch. But only about 1000 journalists really matter to corporate PR folks.

Ochman: Why don't you have a personal blog?

Outing: I wonder about that myself! News organizations – the NY Times is a classic example , don't want journalists' personal views. It depends what role you have in the organization. If you are a liberal at the times, everybody knows your view, if you cover political news, that is not good.

I found that there are two principal types of employed journalist bloggers:

1. Those who are very careful about what they blog, never getting too controversial and seldom expressing opinions. Their employers know what they're doing and support them as long as they don't do anything that might put the news organization in a bad light.

2. Those who feel stymied by their media-company employers from writing what they want -- who look at the larger blog world and feel annoyed at their managers because they're not allowed such freedom of expression.

Personal employee blogs, it seems, are land mines for media employers. The nature of the Internet is why. A simple family blog written by a reporter might contain a reference to trouble at work, or discontent with a boss. It's so easy for such an item -- meant for a tiny group but accessible by the entire Web world -- to take on a life of its own and spread to a huge audience, embarrassing not only the employer but also the employee. The media operates in a Google-driven, Romenesko world now.

Author: B.L. Ochman | Jul 15, 04 | Permalink | 6 comments
Category: @ B.L. Ochman | Topic 4 Crisis Management

 

Comments

Nice interview. I liked his comment that "The best bloggers will rise to the top because their content is brilliantly written and well edited." Well, atleast some of us are good at the content development part; the editing is another matter. Good job. -Robb Hecht

Posted by: Robb Hecht at July 15, 2004 01:59 PM

Agreed; interesting and insightful. As a novice to the world of tracking blog chatter, I'd like to learn more about how to do a keyword search of blog discussions. Do blogs just turn up on search engines, or is there a better way to search for threads in blog traffic?

Posted by: Ken Peterson at July 15, 2004 04:42 PM

Ken, you can use any blog search engine, and subscribe to the RSS feed for your query.

Here's an example: if you search on Blogdigger for "Monterey Bay Aquarium" :), you will find these results. In the right side of the page, you'll find also a link: the RSS (or ATOM) feed for your query (hint: the orange button). Just paste the link in your news reader (I use Bloglines).

Other blog search engines you can use: Feedster and Technorati.

It's better to subscribe to the RSS-ified result of more than one blog search engine, because they are not indexing the same blogs. Hope this helps.

Posted by: Constantin Basturea at July 15, 2004 06:10 PM

I also keep some specified searches running via PubSub: http://www.pubsub.com/
This alerts me when a blog mentions my keywords, much the same as the others.

Posted by: Trudy W. Schuett at July 16, 2004 07:17 AM

Thanks! These are great tips, and much appreciated.

Posted by: Ken Peterson at July 16, 2004 12:50 PM

Thanks for your time, Steve. Excellent answers to B.L.'s good questions.

Posted by: Meryl K. Evans at July 16, 2004 06:20 PM

 

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